A. J. Roberts: Reading & Assignments

Roberts, J.A.G. A HISTORY OF CHINA: “The Early Modern Period: Ming and Early Qing.”

1. [Manchu #1] (134-143)

2. Manchu #1: (143-147)

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7 responses to “A. J. Roberts: Reading & Assignments

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  2. As a simple reader, I found something that sometimes occurs in History. When there is a revolt, or bad events happened, everything goes so fast, when Nurachi was in power, things went okay apart from the revolts, but when he died, every events went so fast, he died, his son takes the throne, he changed the dynasty name, tentative of poison, switching groups, there is wars going on… There might be a reason, maybe because everyone wants to be the ruler of this such big “Empire” and it is a big vacuum at this time, so they decid to act which makes all the Empire in a big disorder and chaos.
    I also found out that they were not following Confucian Teachings, especially Abahai, when he was at the throne, he was against all his dad, Nurachi did. But the confucian teachings says that you should do as your dad did and says and help your dad, be respectful for all he did to you and follow him until he dies, not what Abahai did.

  3. Now, because we know that Abahai did not follow his dad, do you think he would stay as long as he did if he had followed him? Would China be taken by other tribes and that China would have never existed? Do you think Nurachi a good ruler? What do you think?

  4. Like Charles said, t seems like there is always something going on and happening very fast. I think that Abahai seemed to be a very bright man and a good leader, how he came up with the examination system because he saw how the Chinese couldn’t only be dominated by the military force. I get the feeling that Abahai was a lot calmer in some way of ruling and came up with a lot of good ways to make the society better than what Nurhaci was.

  5. Like Charles and Hannah said, when there is a revolt, everything goes in a tremendous pace even though you might have a “smooth” leader as Hannah pointed out. I am supporting both statements. The tribes that occurred during Nurhaci’s and Abahai’s time could not only be fought through military force. I think that Abahai was a smart but maybe a bit greedy man who understood this and established an examination system as Hannah said. The fact that China is not a small country – at all – resulted into an extremely hard country to control with only military forces. To control such a big country and keep the opposition – looking at the tribes – away you will have to have a working education system to prevent tribes to grow and gather members. It is like today’s society, why do we read history? We read it for instance to not make the same mistakes as we already have done once in the past, unfortunately it does not work out so good. Just look at what is happening around the world today that we already have experienced once and knows for sure that it won’t make any winnings for anybody.

  6. Yes, Nurhaci and Abahai seemed to be very good leaders, just like everyone has said above. Nurhaci was good because he took chances by uniting all the Jurchen tribes to make Manchuria and that lead to something very amazing. This is pretty similar to how Lenin took advantage of the moment to gain power in Russia.
    Since the Manchus were doing so well, better than China, is it possible that the tributaries system (where the other Asian countries bring presents and services to China and China protects the other countries back) could have been questioned by the other countries? They probably questioned how China can protect them if China can’t properly protect themselves from Manchuria.

  7. Charles, yes Abahai didn’t follow confucianism and I’m not certain whether his father did either. This could be because Confucianism hadn’t ever spread to the Jurchen tribes in the past. But it’s possible that the Manchus learned about Confucianism when they invaded China and took over the four major cities.

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